I think this is backwards.
According to Wikipedia, Rabbinical Judaism did not get going until the 6th century AD. The chief text is the Talmud, and that was written around 500 AD.
The chief Christian text is the Gospels, written closer to 100 AD. Christianity had a well-defined set of beliefs by the time of the Nicene Creed in 325 AD.
You might say that both Jews and Christians revere the Old Testament, and that is considered more Jewish law than Christian law. That is true, but only shows that Judaism and Christianity have some overlap in their origin stories.
But Jesus was born in Bethelem, part of Jewish territory, you may say. Actually the area was under Roman occupation at the time. Paul, who was the chief proponent of Christianity for a while, was believed to have been a Roman citizen. Jesus and the other disciples may well have considered themselves more Roman than Jewish, for all we know.
So it seems to me to make just as much sense to say that Christianity is the oldest religion, and Judaism was a Christian sect that eventually split into a separate religion.
I would prefer to say that Christianity is a rejection of Judaism, but maybe I have it backwards, and it is more accurate to say that Judaism is a rejection of Christianity.
Islam also claims Abrahamic origins, so maybe Moslems think that they are the original true religion, and that Christianity and Judaism are rejections of Islam. Except that I do not think anyone would say that. Christianity and Judaism were well-developed when Mohammad founded Islam.
People say that Jesus was a Jew, but does that mean he had Jewish DNA or he subscribed to Judaism? I do not think that either was well-defined at the time. He had his own set of beliefs. Saying that he was Jew seems like just an anti-Christian thing to say.
Here is another view, from a Palestinian Arab:
Few figures in Middle Eastern or world history are as contested as Jesus of Nazareth. To Christians, Jesus is their Messiah, the Son of God, and God made flesh, the cornerstone of their religion, the world’s largest. During his lifetime, he was a Jewish rabbi living in first-century Roman Judea. ...I say that saying Jesus was a Jewish rabbi, or a follower of Judaism, is just as anachronistic. Rabbinical Judaism did not exist yet. Jesus did not teach based on the Talmud, and his message was not Jewish.Claiming that Jesus was Palestinian is not only anachronistic, it is as inaccurate as asserting that he was Israeli, Ottoman, Byzantine, or a Christian Crusader — since none of these identities existed in his time. Each reflects a later historical period and different sociopolitical realities. Superimposing any of these identities onto Jesus simply does not align with the reality of the first century or describe either his ministry or his followers.
Jesus’s identity was fundamentally Jewish. His teachings, as recorded in the Gospels, were thoroughly rooted in Jewish scripture and traditions and his arguments with the religious leaders of the various Jewish sects of the time — the Pharisees, Sadducees, Zealots, and others — were internal debates within Judaism. Jesus lived in a Jewish society, addressed the concerns of his fellow Jews, and was ultimately executed by the Romans as “King of the Jews,” a title that reflects the way in which both his supporters and his enemies viewed him.
Merry Christmas.
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Roger,
Historically speaking, what you think of as Christianity didn't exist as a clearly separate entity from Judaism until quite a while after Jesus's death.
Sorry, but no. Jesus considered himself a Jew, and definitely spoke as if he was, and there was quite a bit in the gospels about him being accused of heresy by the Sadducees and Pharisees as they tried to silence him. All twelve of the original disciples were Jewish. Jesus was also not a Christian in any logical case, as he hardly could follow or worship himself, and as he was the person that others followed and worshipped. A Christian is technically 'a follower of Christ'. You can't be your own follower or a disciple of yourself.
Actual firm doctrines of Christianity didn't exist until Constantine made it happen over roughly 300 years after Jesus's crucifixion, and he pretty much killed off any other existing sects of Christianity not wanting competition to his complete control of the new state religion. Anything you might associate with a structured Christianity such as the holy trinity, ordained priests, Saints, or martyrs came about much later. Constantine himself was also never a Christian, and his wife was into quasi-egyption mysticism and she seemed to have had a rather dim view of Christianity as anything other than a means to and end for her husband to save his crumbling empire.
All that said, Merry Christmas. Peace on Earth, good will to all.
We all could use it.
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